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	<title>Comments on: Virginia Tech: Gun Control Fails&#8230; Again</title>
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		<title>By: TrishAndHalli.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; It&#8217;s Hard to Argue with Facts: Legally Armed Students Prevent Deaths on Campus</title>
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		<dc:creator>TrishAndHalli.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; It&#8217;s Hard to Argue with Facts: Legally Armed Students Prevent Deaths on Campus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] students and/or faculty can and do stop armed killers.  Read the previous posts on this subject, Virginia Tech: Gun Control Fails&#8230;Again, and Guest Post: Second Amendment, Designed for Virginia [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] students and/or faculty can and do stop armed killers.  Read the previous posts on this subject, Virginia Tech: Gun Control Fails&#8230;Again, and Guest Post: Second Amendment, Designed for Virginia [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 09:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the UK, where guns are more or less illegal for private individuals to own, there were proportionately 30 times fewer deaths in 2001 from firearms than in the USA. Surely it is common sense that if guns are harder to get hold of, fewer people will get shot? I find it hard to believe that, had Cho Seung-hui been a college student in the UK, his madness would have made him either brave enough or clever enough to make contact with the right criminal groups in order to obtain firearms. Maybe he would have still attacked innocent people, but with what? His fists? A knife? The only hand-held device I can think of that is as efficient at despatching other people as a gun, is another gun. 32 people died because Cho Seung-hui was able to walk into a corner shop and buy the means to kill them.

Your suggestion that more guns would have prevented deaths invites a violent, medieval society where violence can only be stopped by more violence. Where the good guy comes out with guns blazing and blows away the bad guys. Pretty much the type of situation that Hollywood just loves to portray all the time. And exactly the same fantasy that Cho Seung-hui doubtless imagined he was part of just a few days ago. A lone hero, blowing away the bad guys.

If you really cannot see that more guns mean more death, and that a total unavailability of guns would make it much harder for this sort of thing to happen, then I fear there is no hope for America. Build a big wall across the bottom of Canada, I say, and leave The Idiots to it. I&#039;m sure you&#039;d waste no time in finding new and interesting ways to blow yourselves up, and right now, a USA-free planet is a happy thought indeed...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the UK, where guns are more or less illegal for private individuals to own, there were proportionately 30 times fewer deaths in 2001 from firearms than in the USA. Surely it is common sense that if guns are harder to get hold of, fewer people will get shot? I find it hard to believe that, had Cho Seung-hui been a college student in the UK, his madness would have made him either brave enough or clever enough to make contact with the right criminal groups in order to obtain firearms. Maybe he would have still attacked innocent people, but with what? His fists? A knife? The only hand-held device I can think of that is as efficient at despatching other people as a gun, is another gun. 32 people died because Cho Seung-hui was able to walk into a corner shop and buy the means to kill them.</p>
<p>Your suggestion that more guns would have prevented deaths invites a violent, medieval society where violence can only be stopped by more violence. Where the good guy comes out with guns blazing and blows away the bad guys. Pretty much the type of situation that Hollywood just loves to portray all the time. And exactly the same fantasy that Cho Seung-hui doubtless imagined he was part of just a few days ago. A lone hero, blowing away the bad guys.</p>
<p>If you really cannot see that more guns mean more death, and that a total unavailability of guns would make it much harder for this sort of thing to happen, then I fear there is no hope for America. Build a big wall across the bottom of Canada, I say, and leave The Idiots to it. I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;d waste no time in finding new and interesting ways to blow yourselves up, and right now, a USA-free planet is a happy thought indeed&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: OMG</title>
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		<dc:creator>OMG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 19:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s make guns illegal, just like cocaine, heroin, etc. and then in a few years, there won&#039;t be any guns around to hurt people.  It seemed to work great with these drugs!  And BTW, guns don&#039;t kill people, people kill people and those that want to kill will find a way, if not with a gun then something else, say an airplane or a van loaded with fertilizer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s make guns illegal, just like cocaine, heroin, etc. and then in a few years, there won&#8217;t be any guns around to hurt people.  It seemed to work great with these drugs!  And BTW, guns don&#8217;t kill people, people kill people and those that want to kill will find a way, if not with a gun then something else, say an airplane or a van loaded with fertilizer.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Symonds</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Symonds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With thinking like this, its no wonder the USA and the crazy middel america mums like these two are held up to ridicule by the rest of us. I come from Tasmania, Australia which still holds the &quot;record&quot; for the most deaths in a single shooting. it horrified this small island state. The only good outcome was that the government banned guns and yep, the rate of gun deaths went down. But hey never let the need to carry an oversize -censored- stop Hatie from spinning her web of lunacy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With thinking like this, its no wonder the USA and the crazy middel america mums like these two are held up to ridicule by the rest of us. I come from Tasmania, Australia which still holds the &#8220;record&#8221; for the most deaths in a single shooting. it horrified this small island state. The only good outcome was that the government banned guns and yep, the rate of gun deaths went down. But hey never let the need to carry an oversize -censored- stop Hatie from spinning her web of lunacy.</p>
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		<title>By: Independent In Massachusetts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Independent In Massachusetts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 03:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gun control advocates unite! Weâ€™ll all live more peacefully when criminals can safely carry out their designs without threat of equal opposition!

When will you get it through your thick skulls: these criminals have no regard for the law! They are complete cowards who seek out venues where they know theyâ€™ll be unopposed. Why donâ€™t the gunmen make their last stand at a police station or military installation? Why do you think these massacres occur in states with stricter gun laws? Why do you never hear about such an incident in Utah or Idaho where (thankfully) guns are still allowed on university campuses?

Several years ago the worthless Utah State University school paper ran a series of brazenly slanted articles supporting a movement to ban all guns (which naturally means only the legal ones, because bans donâ€™t affect criminals) from campus in Utah. They touted the fact that there had been 11 incidents on campus with concealed weapons as evidence to support their position. What they neglected to report was that ALL 11 INCIDENTS involved ILLEGALLY carried handguns. Nobody who went through the effort of being fingerprinted, background checked, trained, and licensed had ever caused a problem on campus!

And for all you nutjobs who want stricter gun control, instead of imposing your self-righteous, emotional, uninformed, weak-minded liberal politics on the rest of us, MOVE TO CANADA (OR BETTER YET, EUROPE) WHERE THEY HAVE IT ALL FIGURED OUT!!

Oh, and take Barbara Streisand with you. Some of us really had our hopes up there a couple of years ago; maybe she just forgot . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gun control advocates unite! Weâ€™ll all live more peacefully when criminals can safely carry out their designs without threat of equal opposition!</p>
<p>When will you get it through your thick skulls: these criminals have no regard for the law! They are complete cowards who seek out venues where they know theyâ€™ll be unopposed. Why donâ€™t the gunmen make their last stand at a police station or military installation? Why do you think these massacres occur in states with stricter gun laws? Why do you never hear about such an incident in Utah or Idaho where (thankfully) guns are still allowed on university campuses?</p>
<p>Several years ago the worthless Utah State University school paper ran a series of brazenly slanted articles supporting a movement to ban all guns (which naturally means only the legal ones, because bans donâ€™t affect criminals) from campus in Utah. They touted the fact that there had been 11 incidents on campus with concealed weapons as evidence to support their position. What they neglected to report was that ALL 11 INCIDENTS involved ILLEGALLY carried handguns. Nobody who went through the effort of being fingerprinted, background checked, trained, and licensed had ever caused a problem on campus!</p>
<p>And for all you nutjobs who want stricter gun control, instead of imposing your self-righteous, emotional, uninformed, weak-minded liberal politics on the rest of us, MOVE TO CANADA (OR BETTER YET, EUROPE) WHERE THEY HAVE IT ALL FIGURED OUT!!</p>
<p>Oh, and take Barbara Streisand with you. Some of us really had our hopes up there a couple of years ago; maybe she just forgot . . .</p>
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		<title>By: chaseric</title>
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		<dc:creator>chaseric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 02:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If just one person had a gun to protect themself HOW MANY OTHER&#039;S MAY STILL BE ALIVE TODAY?  Wake up or continue to die!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If just one person had a gun to protect themself HOW MANY OTHER&#8217;S MAY STILL BE ALIVE TODAY?  Wake up or continue to die!</p>
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		<title>By: Guns kill</title>
		<link>http://www.trishandhalli.com/2007/04/16/property-rights/gun-control-fails-again/comment-page-1/#comment-1568</link>
		<dc:creator>Guns kill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 22:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How can it possibly make any sense at all, that when shootings occur that you, Trish and Halli (and millions of other staunch gun-supporters in the United States), may have the AUDACITY to suggest that more people should be able to carry guns. Where do we draw the line? 

The kind of protection youÂ´re talking about here, with more firearms to protect the &quot;responsible&quot; gun-toters from the madmen, is not only the worst solution to the problem of carrying firearms in the first place, but just plain insane. Why create that tension which exists when people carry arms in the first place?

I hope for the children of Virginia, and for the citizens of a dynamic and culturally complicated USA, that someone with the power to change the gun-status-quo, will do so. And soon. The blood of the students of VT is on the hands of not only this government, but on the panicky, on-guard gun-owners across the US.

(And the idea of having students bearing arms to school, guns shuffling through their bags, putting their weapons on the desk beside their pens, is grotesque to say the least.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can it possibly make any sense at all, that when shootings occur that you, Trish and Halli (and millions of other staunch gun-supporters in the United States), may have the AUDACITY to suggest that more people should be able to carry guns. Where do we draw the line? </p>
<p>The kind of protection youÂ´re talking about here, with more firearms to protect the &#8220;responsible&#8221; gun-toters from the madmen, is not only the worst solution to the problem of carrying firearms in the first place, but just plain insane. Why create that tension which exists when people carry arms in the first place?</p>
<p>I hope for the children of Virginia, and for the citizens of a dynamic and culturally complicated USA, that someone with the power to change the gun-status-quo, will do so. And soon. The blood of the students of VT is on the hands of not only this government, but on the panicky, on-guard gun-owners across the US.</p>
<p>(And the idea of having students bearing arms to school, guns shuffling through their bags, putting their weapons on the desk beside their pens, is grotesque to say the least.)</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 19:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, there are studies showing that households with higher gun ownership are more dangerous...to their own inhabitants. Here are the results of a Harvard School of Public Health Study that shows exactly that: 

http://www.physorg.com/news95408605.html

Any logical person should not be suprised by such results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, there are studies showing that households with higher gun ownership are more dangerous&#8230;to their own inhabitants. Here are the results of a Harvard School of Public Health Study that shows exactly that: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.physorg.com/news95408605.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.physorg.com/news95408605.html</a></p>
<p>Any logical person should not be suprised by such results.</p>
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		<title>By: Halli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Halli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 18:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure about that last comment, but it must have something relevant to the subject...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure about that last comment, but it must have something relevant to the subject&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mademoiselle YBD &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Bang Bang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mademoiselle YBD &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Bang Bang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:53:55 +0000</pubDate>
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